History repeating itself

The EPA got it's start in the early 70's....cars were required to have cleaner emission standards and we were all "blessed" with things like air-pumps, catalytic converters, EGR, Evap canisters...massive decreases in horsepower, well you know. Then there's this ad on Ebay for an all electric car, which kind of reminds me of the Smart for two car (a little)...this was in 1975 and although this car is an extreme rarity, I think we'll be seing more and more of this "theme" out there in the next few years. Grab those new Pony cars now because I fear they will soon be a thing of the past & we'll soon be cruising at a comfy 50mph hiway top speed in our street legal golf carts.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1975-Sebring-Vanguard-Citicar-/290629865391?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43aae3cfaf#v4-50

EDIT- Car sold for $1,500. (LMAO)

I'm not a fan of electric cars right now, no matter what their so-call performance numbers might be. The battery disposal is going to be a big issue in the future I believe. And when one of those needs a new battery, it may cost more than the car is worth...(?)

They will BS the public into buying the glorified golf carts but and a big but I might add,if the cars are cool and stylish (they arent now) they will sell and if they sell them reasonably $$$, it will be a success.I have no faith in them doing that though.

You might be right but as for me the car would have to perform like this one (plus be affordable and made in the US) Here is an innovative European company video that built a BMW 3 series that kick butt.

http://jalopnik.com/5858639/the-ten-nerdiest-ways-to-modify-your-car/gallery/6?tag=Answers-Of-The-Day

Diesel is the way to go but the enviro douche's lobbist will never let it expand and be better -which could happen easily but it wont.

LMAO-"Enviro Douche's"! I'm gonna use that, royalty check forthcoming!

All these rules and regulations do is make people less trusting of the govt and gives them reasons to become creative and find ways around all Tue b.s.

A certain amount of rules and regulations are needed though. When I was a young guy in the 40s &50s, companies along the local river were dumping everything into the river, and also the city sewage. Nothing like running around on the river in my boat, among the turds coming out of the sewage drains. And an oil-like stuff coming from a GM plant, into the river.
Corporations only looked at the bottom line then, just like they do now, and would trash us in a New York minute if they figured they could get away with it. The smell of our river could be detected 2 blocks away in the old days, but has no detectable odor now, since a chemical company up-stream was made to clean up their act, and the river.

Then there's the other side of the coin...the state DNR thinks every water puddle in a field is some sort of wild life sanctuary, and can't be touched. Radical thinkers on both sides of the issues it seems.....
Problem is, today's generations were not around when corporations did most of their dirty work, until they were made to stop it.

I agree w/ purposeful pollution being wrong. When I was a kid Polaroid was a big polluter of a local river dumping all sorts of chemicals in their and when we fished, well lets just say things didn't look right and the water was disgusting. We do need laws for clean water & clean air but I think we've already done enough to be as good or better than most other nations. We really don't need any more legislation unless it's to punish those who do it willingly or on such a scale that will harm people.

Where we live it is called the "Watershed" region for NY state .All the reservoirs that hold most of the drinking water in NY city is from here.The regulations these folks (Depart of enviormental protection NYC) put on the whole county are terrible and takes a whole huge amount of land off our tax roles. Its a real load since its not just the water but a huge amount of land around it.

Ok Ur misunderstanding what I'm saying I'm all for cleaning up the environment. I'm talking about the regulations that the govt instated to dictate what car companies are allowed to build and its not just car companies its in every aspect of life. As for saving the environment some people take it a little too far. And nobody so far has been able to give me a viable explanation as to what's going to happen to all those batteries. In my opinion ill deal with carbon monoxide atleast that transfers to carbon dioxide fairly quickly and plants need that

And by the way the new regulations on diesel tractors requires them to be outfitted with urea tanks which is chemical made urine that is sprayed into exhaust systems to absorb carbon dioxide. In my opinion its only a matter of time before plant life near road ways will start to die do to lack of carbon dioxide.

billy-ray wrote:And by the way the new regulations on diesel tractors requires them to be outfitted with urea tanks which is chemical made urine that is sprayed into exhaust systems to absorb carbon dioxide. In my opinion its only a matter of time before plant life near road ways will start to die do to lack of carbon dioxide.

I thought that was real piss. Its pretty dumb that whole set up, and very expensive to fix parts of it.Really I mean when you start to really think about it almost disturbing.

Yes, the Govt is busy, protecting us from ourselves !! And of course they get paid big bucks to do it !
In aviation we have many rules & regs too, to protect the public etc, but they at least make sense ! That's not counting the TSA, which has way too many employees, and high paid supervisors, who mostly don't do a very good job......

I couldn't resist posting this....I had always heard it was made from chicken droppings...LOL. So here is everything you ever wanted to know about Urea. Thank you Wisegeek.com!

Urea, also called carbamide, is an organic chemical compound, and is essentially the waste produced by the body after metabolizing protein. Naturally, the compound is produced when the liver breaks down protein or amino acids, and ammonia; the kidneys then transfer the urea from the blood to the urine. Extra nitrogen is expelled from the body through urea, and because it is extremely soluble, it is a very efficient process. The average person excretes about 30 grams of urea a day, mostly through urine, but a small amount is also secreted in perspiration. Synthetic versions of the chemical compound can be created in liquid or solid form, and is often an ingredient found in fertilizers, animal feed, and diuretics, just to name a few.

Discovery
Naturally, the chemical compound is not only produced by humans but also by many other mammals, as well as amphibians and some fish. Discovered in 1773 by the French chemist Hillaire Rouelle, urea became the first organic compound to be synthetically formulated. German chemist Friedrich Wöhler, one of the pioneers of organic chemistry, invented the process to create the synthetic version of the compound in 1828, just 55 years after its discovery.

Production
The synthetic version of the compound is created from ammonia and carbon dioxide and can be produced as a liquid or a solid. In 1870, the process of producing the compound synthetically by dehydrating ammonium carbamate under conditions of high heat and pressure was invented, and this process is still used today. There are many common uses of the synthetic compound, and therefore its production is high; in fact, approximately one million pounds of urea is manufactured in the United States alone each year.

Common Uses
Most of the manufactured compound is used in fertilizers; when nitrogen is added to urea, the compound becomes water soluble, making it a highly desired ingredient for lawn fertilizer. The synthetic version is also used commercially and industrially to produce some types of plastics, animal feed, glues, toilet bowl cleaners, dish washing machine detergents, hair coloring products, pesticides, and fungicides. Medicinally, it is used in barbiturates, dermatological products that re-hydrate the skin, and diuretics. Physicians can use urea levels to detect diseases and disorders that affect the kidneys, such as acute kidney failure or end-stage renal disease (ESRD). The blood urea nitrogen (BUN) and the urine urea nitrogen (UUN) tests, which measure urea nitrogen levels in the blood and urine, are often used to assess how well a patient's kidneys are functioning. Increased or decreased levels of the compound, however, do not always indicate kidney problems, but instead may reflect dehydration or increased protein intake.